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What equipment is allowed in forced position lanes?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:49 pm
by glr59
May I ask questions to clarify in my own mind please…. April 5 2015, 9:21 AM

I thought I knew what was right and wrong in the past but please clarify for me:

In a sanctioned match in regards to a forced position lane(standing,kneeling)

1. A WFTF or open competitor may not carry with them for the use as a ranging aide a monopod,bipod,tripod,chair etc. The shooter may sit on their legal bum bag to range. IF the MD leaves an aid at the lane it is ok to use. Is this a correct interpretation?

2. A hunter competitor may use their chair,monopods,bipods for ranging on a forced position lane since these devices are allowed in their class?

3. Can a terrain feature (lane marker etc) be used in any of the 3 classes for range finding?

Please understand my tone here. I am just asking for clarification. Leo or any official or MD are all welcome to give me official answers please.

thank you
Jerry L.

P.S My questions are for sanctioned matches only.

"Grasshopper" Student of the game.....

Re: What equipment is allowed in forced position lanes?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:30 pm
by HectorMedina
Jerry,
This latest wording of the rules more closely follows WFTF practice.
For example: if you carried a chair to sit on between turns to shoot, in WFTF practice you wouldn't be allowed to use if to range or to rest between shots.

I think the current wording is better and clearer.

Since lane markers and other natural occurrences are NOT put there as shooting supports, I would tend to think it is NOT OK to use them.

Setting up specific supports for ranging and loading in offhand lanes is a peculiarly American trait.

JMHO

Un abrazo!

Héctor

Re: What equipment is allowed in forced position lanes?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 3:45 pm
by Leo Duran
glr59 wrote:1. A WFTF or open competitor may not carry with them for the use as a ranging aide a monopod,bipod,tripod,chair etc. The shooter may sit on their legal bum bag to range. IF the MD leaves an aid at the lane it is ok to use. Is this a correct interpretation?

Correct.
It's typical for clubs to provide a support stand at OFFHAND lanes: handy for setting pellets down, for ranging, and for resting the gun between shots.

glr59 wrote:2. A hunter competitor may use their chair,monopods,bipods for ranging on a forced position lane since these devices are allowed in their class?

Correct.
Of course, if you can shoot with it, you can range with it.

glr59 wrote:3. Can a terrain feature (lane marker etc) be used in any of the 3 classes for range finding?

Safety must always be considered, so lane markers may not be a good example. But it's reasonable to say the lane features (e.g., a tree stump) are provided by hosting club, and are available to ALL shooters.

Basically, here are the guiding principles:
"Shooters are not allowed to use any extra personal equipment for ranging other than what they are allowed to shoot with. However, the hosting club may provide support fixtures accessible to all shooters for resting the gun while ranging."

Re: What equipment is allowed in forced position lanes?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:08 pm
by glr59
Thank you
Jerry

Re: What equipment is allowed in forced position lanes?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:43 pm
by pad617
Can someone speak to the rule regarding equipment brought to the line by the shooter but NOT used for ranging or shooting.

1. For example may a hunter class shooter bring a tripod to the lane to be used as a rest for his rifle between off hand shots?
(tripods are specifically stated in the hunter rules as not allowed for shooting)

2. Can any class of shooter bring a 10 meter stand to the shooting line to be used as a rest for his rifle between off hand shots?
(I do not believe any class lists a 10 meter stand as restricted equipment, but I may be wrong)

Jeff P

Re: What equipment is allowed in forced position lanes?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:25 pm
by WoodbineEric
So let me see if I understand this correctly. I cannot use an inexpensive camera tripod to rest my gun on between forced offhand shots, but I can use a chair or my guns carry cradle or an expensive 10 meeter high stand? I'm not talking about using the camera tripod (stand) for ranging. Just somewhere to rest the gun between shots. The tripod is not used in any respect for aiming or shooting. I saw a 10 meter competition on youtube and everyone shooting offhand had a stand they used between shots. That's what I'm trying to do and a cheap camera tripod is a simple solution.

I also heard of someone that shoots from a bucket and sticks. He has 3 legs on the sticks. He leans forward to range using the sticks as a tripod, then leans back and shoots with the sticks as a bipod. I think that is breaking the rule since he is ranging with a tripod? I also shot with someone that had a string attached to their sticks. The string went from their sticks to their bucket. He told me that he has the string on the bipod to avoid from having the sticks fall forward. Apparently, he had trouble with a hill one time where the sticks fell over the hill and he had to call a cold line to retrieve his sticks. Is it legal to have a string/rope attached from your bipod to your bucket?

Thanks a bunch,
Eric

Re: What equipment is allowed in forced position lanes?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:03 pm
by Chris Berry
Tripod is not legal to take to the lane and range, and by the way you stated the other the string restricts movement and would also not be allowed.

Re: What equipment is allowed in forced position lanes?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:19 pm
by glr59
I think I have some clarity from my questions above. So here goes:

If you see somebody in the lane box with a tripod that they brought with them consider it an illegal move. None of the divisions allow a tripod anyplace, unless an MD has placed it there. In the hunter division you have at your disposal a chair,monopod or bipod. You can sit while using your monopod,bipod and range find. Then just stand up and take a shot whilst not using any of those devices. Then if you need to rest you or your gun just sit down. No need to bring more equipment.

This would not be acceptable in WFTF or Open.

Jerry L
Hope I got that right.

Re: What equipment is allowed in forced position lanes?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:22 pm
by Chris Berry
Your statement is correct just change tripod to bipods in the wording.

Re: What equipment is allowed in forced position lanes?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:24 pm
by glr59
corrected… :)